By Kristin Zhivago on Aug 31, 2007
The problem with marketing and sales is that they are the functions inside companies most likely to be driven more by emotions and anecdotal "evidence" than they are by facts. The result is never as profitable as it could be.
If salespeople dominate decisions, without the benefit of qualitative customer research and buying process analysis, the atmosphere is always dominated by fear of losing the next sale, and activity is always frantic.
The salesperson will send an email to the marketing person: "I just closed this sale. I sent this fax to them, and they read it while we were talking to each other, and the person loved this fax. We need an email and landing page that uses this copy!!!" The marketing person will comply. The salesperson will then talk to another customer, who will react positively to something else, and the salesperson will send another email to the marketing person, demanding another email and landing page.
An endless series of campaigns can be created this way. Meanwhile, the company can be losing market share due to an unseen market shift or a competitor who is attracting customers to its site and selling them - without them ever talking to a salesperson. Companies that are driven by sales-originated firedrills are steadily outsold by competitors who eventually drive them out of business.
If marketing people dominate decisions - again, without the benefit of customer research and buying process analysis - the marketing people will develop campaigns that they believe will be effective, because they have read that certain types of email campaigns are working, or customers are flocking to YouTube, or content-dominated websites do a good job of elevating "organic" (non-paid) listings in search engine result pages.
So they dutifully create those types of campaigns, roll them out to the company's managers and salespeople, and get ready for the leads they assume will come in. Some leads do come in, and some sales are made as a result.
However, once again, the company is sure to be missing the major trends driving customer decisions and behavior, and competitors who do a better job of finding this out will capture more leads and close more sales.
I would guess, based on experience with literally thousands of companies of all sizes, that at least 95% of all companies fall into the emotional, sales-driven or marketing-driven categories just described.
Both models are dysfunctional. Often, both models are at work simultaneously, in the same company. Salespeople foist their fear-driven fire drill on marketing, and marketing foists its "campaign of the week" on salespeople. Both groups fight against each other to gain the CEO's favor. It's a counterproductive mess.
It is testimony to the eagerness of the customer to buy - and to the health of the world economy in general - that so many companies survive, in spite of using these emotion-driven sales and marketing methods.
The alternative, which works whenever and wherever it is adopted, is a model where market data drives marketing campaigns and selling methods. Here's how it works.
1) The marketing department includes a datamaster. This person's main job is to analyze the customer's buying process and the internal selling process, from lead to closed sale to after-sale support. This person uses a variety of methods to track these processes, including web tracking software, and observation and analysis of lead processing functions and salespeople as they sell. She maps out customer buying processes and lead processing, documenting where people "drop off" as they go through the buying process and where the lead processing flow is slowed down or where leads "fall through the cracks" and never make it through the system. This information is presented to management in the form of diagrams and statistics, painting a clear and accurate picture of both buyer and lead processing patterns.
2) The company regularly interviews its current customers, lost sales, prospects, and partners. In-depth, conversational interviews are conducted by phone.
These companies shift from emotion-driven sales and marketing to data-driven sales and marketing. Their marketing and selling departments become as professional and manageable as finance and manufacturing. They are never blind-sided. They know what their customers are thinking and what they want. They know what their competitors are doing and how to sell effectively against them. They make every sale that can be made. They dominate their markets. They become "the big dog."
Kristin - Great information, and a process that I aspire to. I've had some very good experiences gaining insights into buying habits from interviewing customers, losses and partners. It hadn't occurred to me to also interview prospects. While I love the idea, I'm having difficulty trying to visualize the conversation I'll be having with the sales team to convince them to let someone make contact with a prospect in the midst of a sale. I can just imagine the reaction! Any suggestions of how to get past this barrier?
Posted by: twallace on August 31, 2007 10:44 AM
Wonderful article! Having understood what data-driven marketing initiative could do for a marketer, it would be very relevant to know how to make a real beginning.
Mark Price, Managing Parner, M Squaredgroup Inc. answers fundamental questions. Here's the URL.
http://www.msquaredgroup.com/journal/2007/8/1/data-driven-marketing-at-the-starting-line.html
Posted by: Deepak on September 1, 2007 1:03 AM
TWallace - yes, there is a way to get past the "there is no way I'm going to let you interview MY prospects" barrier. Call the salesperson. Interview the salesperson FIRST. Ask the salesperson to tell you what prospects are asking about these days, what their concerns are, what makes them sit up and take notice, etc.
The salesperson will personally experience what it feels like to be interviewed, and will be thinking, "That wasn't bad - I felt intelligent as I was talking and I think this person knows what he is talking about." At the end of the interview, ask the salesperson if you can also talk to a couple of prospects, in much the same way. About 70% of the time, you will come away from this conversation with a couple of prospects you can call, because the salesperson has personally experienced your interviewing process and will trust you with their prospect.
The good news is, you don't have to talk to hundreds of prospects to get a sense of solid, bankable trends. Trends start to emerge by the 7th to 10th phone call - assuming you are conducting in-depth, conversational interviews, where they talk about 90% of the time and you ask questions 10% of the time.
You must let them lead the conversation. Forcing them into your "survey" template will only bore them and cause them to terminate the conversation after a few minutes. Just ask them open-ended questions and let them talk. Start the conversation by telling them that you're in marketing - not sales - and you're just trying to figure out what people are thinking as they are going through their buying process.
Of course, you must not sell them during the conversation - even if they ask you to. Gracefully decline, and say that someone will call them back with the answer to their question in a few minutes - and then make sure someone does.
Posted by: Kristin Zhivago on September 1, 2007 7:21 AM
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